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Why Creditors Should Get Less in Chapter 13

By Cathy Moran

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Spending every dollar they make, and then some, is often how our Chapter 13 clients got into financial trouble.

Yet Chapter 13, as practiced, validates the practice of continuing to spend 100% of each month’s income during the life of the plan. In doing so, we, as a society, squander the chance to use Chapter 13 to teach new budgeting habits.

Shame on us.

It was more obvious before BAPCPA: we calculated the debtor’s projected income and living expenses, and all of what was on the bottom line was paid into the plan.

Now, we use Congress’ objective measure of what it should cost to live, and pay 100% of the arbitrary formula into the plan. There is no provision in the Chapter 13 means test for savings other than long term retirement savings required by an employer.

I’m not knocking saving for retirement. In fact, as debtor’s counsel, my most oft-repeated reason for clients reluctant to take the plunge and file bankruptcy is to provide for retirement.

American Express does not have to retire, and you do. What have you saved for that day?

But every household needs some savings for today, for tomorrow, and next month.

The Supreme Court’s Ransom decision reinforces the sense that saving is not a financial virtue.

A debtor with a paid for car is not reminded that the old car will need to be replaced, and saving toward that inevitability is a good thing. Rather, the car is paid for and we’ll indulge in the idea that the car will last another 5 years and devote that cash flow to unsecured creditors.

We have effectively mandated that, instead of putting a serious down payment on the next car, our client will again finance the next purchase at whatever interest rate is available to the newly discharged. The cycle of borrowing is perpetuated.

Debtors are required to take a class in personal financial management to get their discharge. Those classes surely do not promote consuming 100% of one’s income. Short term saving is needed to provide for the unexpected and the infrequent. Otherwise, you continue to live on the financial brink.

It is ironic, but true, that a Chapter 7 debtor can begin reforming the way she handles money almost immediately after filing bankruptcy. A Chapter 13 debtor lives for 3 to 5 years with a budget that makes no provision for an emergency fund.

I would like to think that Chapter 13 is rehabilitative, that it uses the duration of the plan to build new and better habits of money management. That isn’t what’s happening. As it is, the system’s distaste for savings while debts are unpaid perpetuates budgeting to spend every single dollar the debtor handles.

The language of our confirmation order provides that the debtor’s post petition income is submitted to the supervision and control of the Chapter 13 trustee. What kind of financial professional is the Chapter 13 trustee if that supervision and control doesn’t encourage some level of savings?

Or is the required financial management class just window dressing whose lessons don’t really apply until the creditors have gotten their pound of flesh?

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Filed Under: Chapter 13, Consumer Rights

About Cathy Moran

I'm a veteran bankruptcy lawyer and consumer advocate in California's Silicon Valley. I write, teach, and speak in the hopes of expanding understanding of how bankruptcy can make life better in a family's future.

Comments

  1. Jackson Morris says

    May 26, 2011 at 10:25 pm

    Very good points you make. If debtors are frugal they could be penalized.

    In Schedule J, do you state an amount of money under other expenses for Family Emergencies or a fund for future auto replacement?

    Also, trustees other than SF do not look at tax returns every year. It is not required by the code. It is a way for Trustee to not just check income, but
    Certain expenses.

    • Cathy Moran says

      May 27, 2011 at 7:02 am

      The only expenses that the tax return is going to disclose is mortgage interest and property taxes. Once, in SF, I had to fight to get a plan confirmed where the debtor was cutting everything current back to the bone to try to catch up on retirement savings. The judge finally decided that the mere fact she was upfront about her intent to save was permissible.

  2. JC says

    October 9, 2012 at 9:03 am

    I agree I just did my financial course for chapter 7 a couple of hours ago, they said its all about saving 10-15% of every check and chapter 13 is not.

    I know after this economy collapsed and I was forced to live on credit cards after my savings dried up, (since I had them), still unemployed & unable to make minimum payments the lawyers have been dragging me into court for payment in full despite I am unemployed due to no fault of my own, and actively looking for work.

    End result I was forced to file chapter 7 bankruptcy due to their actions. My reaction, I will not get another credit card for as long as I live!
    They only make the rich get richer, I’m done lining their pockets with my money since they refused to wait for payment or work with me in anyway such as a hardship program..

    I had over a decade of on-time payments & zero balances throughout my history with them, they got bailed out we got sold out!

    Save your Money!

    • Cathy Moran says

      October 9, 2012 at 9:31 am

      No matter how much or how little money passes through your hands each month, you need to set something aside for the unexpected AND for old age.

      If you think you “can’t” do it, you need to revisit where your money goes. We have come to see so many marginal things as “necessities” that we don’t provide for ourselves and our dependents.

      Glad you are out from under your debt.

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  1. Barriers to Chapter 13 Success says:
    August 18, 2012 at 8:06 am

    […] And, this business of “all” continues to distress me.  What responsible financial counselor would tell a client to spend every dollar they make?  Whether you save for emergencies, retirement, or  big purchases,  living below your means is the key to financial stability.  Chapter 13 should promote reasonable saving. […]

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